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[+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 15 points 9 months ago (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Armand1@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children) Splitting hairs. If you think a group of people are intrinsically worse than others, you are effectively racist. We can come up with new names, but ultimately it's all the same. If you think racism means black vs white then your understanding is kindergarten level. If you prefer, we can use the term bigoted. That term also covers other intrinsic groups like trans, gay and disabled people among others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Armand1@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) When a country does war crimes, the entirety of its populace is not to blame, the systems, power structures and people in charge are. Most people in a country are not for wars or other attacking other countries. This is true for America and Russia alike, to the best of my knowledge (which granted, is anecdotal). More people should be engaged in activism and should push back against the inhumane actions of their state, and people should be less gullible to the promises of their leaders. Both America and Russia are overdue for major reform. Their systems are broken and many of their people brainwashed. Wishing harm on them does not help and imo is not a constructive approach. If anything, hate just begets more hate, making things worse. If you are going to have hate, it should be more focused on the people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago* (2 children) The funny thing about "hate begets more hate" is that the user you're replying to has a good reason to feel hate, and the racist Americans on the other side of that equation don't. And yet, between those two groups, whose hate results in millions of people dying through sanctions and warfare? The problem with the idea of "racism" against Americans, or even hatred against Americans being problematic, is that there's no power structure behind it that makes it real. You're essentially policing the tone of victims here and acting like their anger at what was done to them is equivalent to the very real wrongdoing they are reacting to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) Thank you for expressing that so eloquently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* Thanks. This type of thing is something I see a lot on the fediverse and it bothers me. permalink fedilink source parent [+] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world -6 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago If they were anything like you, they probably deserved it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago You're really proving him wrong there. /s permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] turbowafflz@lemmy.world -6 points 9 months ago (4 children) Fine, it's discriminating against people based on national origin. Whatever you call it it's stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 17 points 9 months ago* (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do you think every Russian or every American is just able to leave the country as soon as they realize the awful things their government is doing? People don't choose where to be born. Whether I was going to be Swiss or American was a decision made before I was born that if I had any say in would probably have gone the other way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago Right. Not wishing death to you personally or your community or etc etc. But your country has no right to exist in its current form, and people projecting their extremely valid grievances on all of you will continue to be a problem until you all organize and change or replace the government. We constantly meet people from your country defending our nations being butchered in the name of democracy™, most people still defend the army and veterans, we have the right to be really angry, and not all of us have the patience to treat you all with silk gloves. permalink fedilink source parent [+] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world -8 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago Sounds like you deserve worse permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children) Splitting hairs. If you think a group of people are intrinsically worse than others, you are effectively racist. We can come up with new names, but ultimately it's all the same. If you think racism means black vs white then your understanding is kindergarten level. If you prefer, we can use the term bigoted. That term also covers other intrinsic groups like trans, gay and disabled people among others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Armand1@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) When a country does war crimes, the entirety of its populace is not to blame, the systems, power structures and people in charge are. Most people in a country are not for wars or other attacking other countries. This is true for America and Russia alike, to the best of my knowledge (which granted, is anecdotal). More people should be engaged in activism and should push back against the inhumane actions of their state, and people should be less gullible to the promises of their leaders. Both America and Russia are overdue for major reform. Their systems are broken and many of their people brainwashed. Wishing harm on them does not help and imo is not a constructive approach. If anything, hate just begets more hate, making things worse. If you are going to have hate, it should be more focused on the people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago* (2 children) The funny thing about "hate begets more hate" is that the user you're replying to has a good reason to feel hate, and the racist Americans on the other side of that equation don't. And yet, between those two groups, whose hate results in millions of people dying through sanctions and warfare? The problem with the idea of "racism" against Americans, or even hatred against Americans being problematic, is that there's no power structure behind it that makes it real. You're essentially policing the tone of victims here and acting like their anger at what was done to them is equivalent to the very real wrongdoing they are reacting to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) Thank you for expressing that so eloquently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* Thanks. This type of thing is something I see a lot on the fediverse and it bothers me. permalink fedilink source parent [+] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world -6 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago If they were anything like you, they probably deserved it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago You're really proving him wrong there. /s permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Armand1@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) When a country does war crimes, the entirety of its populace is not to blame, the systems, power structures and people in charge are. Most people in a country are not for wars or other attacking other countries. This is true for America and Russia alike, to the best of my knowledge (which granted, is anecdotal). More people should be engaged in activism and should push back against the inhumane actions of their state, and people should be less gullible to the promises of their leaders. Both America and Russia are overdue for major reform. Their systems are broken and many of their people brainwashed. Wishing harm on them does not help and imo is not a constructive approach. If anything, hate just begets more hate, making things worse. If you are going to have hate, it should be more focused on the people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago* (2 children) The funny thing about "hate begets more hate" is that the user you're replying to has a good reason to feel hate, and the racist Americans on the other side of that equation don't. And yet, between those two groups, whose hate results in millions of people dying through sanctions and warfare? The problem with the idea of "racism" against Americans, or even hatred against Americans being problematic, is that there's no power structure behind it that makes it real. You're essentially policing the tone of victims here and acting like their anger at what was done to them is equivalent to the very real wrongdoing they are reacting to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) Thank you for expressing that so eloquently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* Thanks. This type of thing is something I see a lot on the fediverse and it bothers me. permalink fedilink source parent [+] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world -6 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago If they were anything like you, they probably deserved it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago You're really proving him wrong there. /s permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) When a country does war crimes, the entirety of its populace is not to blame, the systems, power structures and people in charge are. Most people in a country are not for wars or other attacking other countries. This is true for America and Russia alike, to the best of my knowledge (which granted, is anecdotal). More people should be engaged in activism and should push back against the inhumane actions of their state, and people should be less gullible to the promises of their leaders. Both America and Russia are overdue for major reform. Their systems are broken and many of their people brainwashed. Wishing harm on them does not help and imo is not a constructive approach. If anything, hate just begets more hate, making things worse. If you are going to have hate, it should be more focused on the people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago* (2 children) The funny thing about "hate begets more hate" is that the user you're replying to has a good reason to feel hate, and the racist Americans on the other side of that equation don't. And yet, between those two groups, whose hate results in millions of people dying through sanctions and warfare? The problem with the idea of "racism" against Americans, or even hatred against Americans being problematic, is that there's no power structure behind it that makes it real. You're essentially policing the tone of victims here and acting like their anger at what was done to them is equivalent to the very real wrongdoing they are reacting to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) Thank you for expressing that so eloquently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* Thanks. This type of thing is something I see a lot on the fediverse and it bothers me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago* (2 children) The funny thing about "hate begets more hate" is that the user you're replying to has a good reason to feel hate, and the racist Americans on the other side of that equation don't. And yet, between those two groups, whose hate results in millions of people dying through sanctions and warfare? The problem with the idea of "racism" against Americans, or even hatred against Americans being problematic, is that there's no power structure behind it that makes it real. You're essentially policing the tone of victims here and acting like their anger at what was done to them is equivalent to the very real wrongdoing they are reacting to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) Thank you for expressing that so eloquently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* Thanks. This type of thing is something I see a lot on the fediverse and it bothers me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) Thank you for expressing that so eloquently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* Thanks. This type of thing is something I see a lot on the fediverse and it bothers me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* Thanks. This type of thing is something I see a lot on the fediverse and it bothers me. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world -6 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago If they were anything like you, they probably deserved it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago You're really proving him wrong there. /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago If they were anything like you, they probably deserved it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago You're really proving him wrong there. /s permalink fedilink source parent
[+] turbowafflz@lemmy.world -6 points 9 months ago (4 children) Fine, it's discriminating against people based on national origin. Whatever you call it it's stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 17 points 9 months ago* (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do you think every Russian or every American is just able to leave the country as soon as they realize the awful things their government is doing? People don't choose where to be born. Whether I was going to be Swiss or American was a decision made before I was born that if I had any say in would probably have gone the other way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago Right. Not wishing death to you personally or your community or etc etc. But your country has no right to exist in its current form, and people projecting their extremely valid grievances on all of you will continue to be a problem until you all organize and change or replace the government. We constantly meet people from your country defending our nations being butchered in the name of democracy™, most people still defend the army and veterans, we have the right to be really angry, and not all of us have the patience to treat you all with silk gloves. permalink fedilink source parent [+] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world -8 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago Sounds like you deserve worse permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 17 points 9 months ago* (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do you think every Russian or every American is just able to leave the country as soon as they realize the awful things their government is doing? People don't choose where to be born. Whether I was going to be Swiss or American was a decision made before I was born that if I had any say in would probably have gone the other way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago Right. Not wishing death to you personally or your community or etc etc. But your country has no right to exist in its current form, and people projecting their extremely valid grievances on all of you will continue to be a problem until you all organize and change or replace the government. We constantly meet people from your country defending our nations being butchered in the name of democracy™, most people still defend the army and veterans, we have the right to be really angry, and not all of us have the patience to treat you all with silk gloves. permalink fedilink source parent [+] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world -8 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago Sounds like you deserve worse permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do you think every Russian or every American is just able to leave the country as soon as they realize the awful things their government is doing? People don't choose where to be born. Whether I was going to be Swiss or American was a decision made before I was born that if I had any say in would probably have gone the other way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago Right. Not wishing death to you personally or your community or etc etc. But your country has no right to exist in its current form, and people projecting their extremely valid grievances on all of you will continue to be a problem until you all organize and change or replace the government. We constantly meet people from your country defending our nations being butchered in the name of democracy™, most people still defend the army and veterans, we have the right to be really angry, and not all of us have the patience to treat you all with silk gloves. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago Right. Not wishing death to you personally or your community or etc etc. But your country has no right to exist in its current form, and people projecting their extremely valid grievances on all of you will continue to be a problem until you all organize and change or replace the government. We constantly meet people from your country defending our nations being butchered in the name of democracy™, most people still defend the army and veterans, we have the right to be really angry, and not all of us have the patience to treat you all with silk gloves. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world -8 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago Sounds like you deserve worse permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago Sounds like you deserve worse permalink fedilink source parent
