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Xlibre, a new fork of the X.org X11 server, announced (www.theregister.com)
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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

Can we just let this shit die already? If you're unsatisfied with Wayland make extensions to the protocol or make a new one.

Why in the fuck are so many people obssessed over a piece of software that contains an entire networking stack and has a security model so bad that it lets literally every application keylog you constantly?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    @solardirus @cm0002 Someone already attempted to make Wayland Network, it's called Wayland on Wires, but it just kind of fizzled. Wayland users aren't real Linux users, they're gamers, outcasts from Windows and they really should have stayed there. Xorg users by contrast are people using Linux to do real work, over the network, which is where X shines and Wayland fails outright, so it is good that XLibre exists.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    What? I've gotten RDP, VNC, and SPICE working fine on Wayland. And if you need app-level displays then waypipe worked fine the last time I used it. I've been running Proxmox containers with Wayland just fine, too.

    Any particular use case that benefits from what Xorg was uniquely capable of networking-wise (network transparency, afaik?) of is quite niche and development effort twoards that end has always reflected that!

    I've not been able to find the git or project repo/writeup of "Wayland on Wires". Though i do vaguely feel like I saw it somewhere.

    But I suppose me and my ongoing computer science degree and shared family hobby of IT simply hasn't reached Real Linux User levels yet. I must sharpen my Bash Blade for another 1000 years...

    Since that's the case, I suppose I must defer to your Infinitely Endless Wisdom as a True Linux User. I beg of thee, answer my Most Piteous Questions...:

    1. What do you use Xorg's networking functionality for?
    2. What is ""real"" Linux work?
    3. Why can't you use Wayland for that?
    4. Have you heard of Waypipe? Have you used it?
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    @solardirus Yes, RDP, VNC, and SPICE do not USE X redirection so naturally they will work fine, but try this, while you are on one server using wayland, ssh -Y server into another, and then launch xsol or xclock or synaptic or any other X-application.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    If I had a nickel for every time someone ignored me just to say something I directly address...

    You are pretty blatantly referencing X11 Forwarding / Network Transparency.

    I can't reasonably assume you actually read anything I say, but to briefly reiterate:

    Checkout Waypipe. Here's a direct quote from the README:

    Waypipe is a proxy for Wayland clients. It forwards Wayland messages and serializes changes to shared memory buffers over a single socket. This makes application forwarding similar to ssh -X feasible.

    Have you tried this? What is disatisfactory about it? And if all else fails, is there really ANY problem with simply using VNC/etc? What real-world problem do you have that is uniquely solved with this?

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