The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.

Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.

A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.

Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.

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[–] 6 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Hey col, let's sprinkle in some real antisemitism. Unbelievable.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    You'd like to claim that being against Israeli murder is antisemitism and thats never been true. Its dishonest, it's arguing via a category error, and communicating in bad faith.

    Its a cheap facile con that also serves as a slight against the person you are talking to, by using such a stupid argument in a seemingly serious manner.

    You're not as clever as you think. You're just weaponizing peoples wish for a just system to your own malignant purposes. We all see you.

    Ben Gurion famously said of the zionist crimes of the Nakba in 1948, "The old will die and the young will forget." But we will not forget. This will never be normalized, and Israel will remain a pariah people. That is a danger to global jewry and is itself the true antisemtisim thats happening today. Its being perpetrated by zionists like yourself.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Sure, man. Repeating antisemitic conspiracy ideology is helping the thing.

    Maybe some people should stop reading "The Protocols of the elders of Zion".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    A heavy accusation.

    The Guardian newspaper, New York Times, Oxford research, Mondoweiss all cite the quote without any note of it being controversial, so your calling it a conspiracy theory is itself the conspiracy theory, unless you have some proof? Show us all your proof of your libelous accusation that is of similar standing to those 4 sources?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/may/12/israel1

    https://mondoweiss.net/2013/06/the-young-palestinian/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/books/review/the-hundred-years-war-on-palestine-rashid-khalidi.html

    https://oxfordre.com/literature/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780190201098.001.0001/acrefore-9780190201098-e-1211

    It also is exactly the same sentiment Ben Gurion expressed in so many venues and written letters in very similar wording. Are you denying that this is what -- and how Ben Gurion (aka David Gruen before he moved from New York city to Palestine to found Israel) thought? Does your reflex toward revisionist history stretch so far? And you are pivotting from one lie to another aren't you, because I see you have nothing to say about your previous accusation about "antisemtisim" huh. Well thats fine, I accept your apology as long as you don't let those lies and slanderous accusations happen again.

    Back up your self serving fantastical claims or dont make them. No one here has time for lies.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Wich quote? Did you even read the (now deleted) comment, In answered to?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Repeating antisemitic conspiracy ideology

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I don't know what you want to tell me with that.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Maybe dont tell people they are engaging in conspiracy theory and strawman about elders of zion, whatever that is, if you are inpacable of understanding any response. And I dont completely beleive you when you say you dont understand.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Man, you are the problem. Try to answer understandable next time.

    Blubbering about jewish bankers controlling the state is antisemitic conspiracy bullshit 101.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I never said anything about jewish bankers controlling a state. Nobody else did either. So you accuse me of antisemitism, play dumb when you get your arse rhetorically handed to you, you then strawman, close with another antisemitism accusation, and then walk away. Thats not a very convincing performance. Next time maybe dont start throwing around your "antisemitism" libel in the first place.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I accuse you of nothing. I accused the user WanderingThoughts of that, because they just did exactly that in their now deleted comment. You are just chiming in here, post walls of text for whatever reason and make it about you.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Unbelievable. You made a fucking mistake and still claim I am the problem. You don't make it easy for people to like you, right?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    Unbeleiveable

    ? read the comment train. You replied to me and then you act like a dementia patient after calling me an antisemite twice and failing to back it up. Like I said, dont insult people if you are too incapable of readnig and replying to comments, or too dishonest to make your point without failing to land and then resorting to ad-homs. I dont know what else to tell you, but all the points I made stand, and your throwing around "anti semitism like its a word that means anything after you lot spend the last several years making it mean nothing show us all who you are and what you are doing here. Get bent.

    at best you replied with nastiness to the wrong comment.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There is something going on though right?

    There absolutely must be Zionist Jews in influential positions in American and probably the UK who have the interest of Israel above the interest of their country. There is loads of funding for pro Israel groups.

    The whole antisemitic propaganda thrown at Labour is real questionable.

    Pro Israel groups have been caught rewriting history on Wikipedia.

    Without being able to talk about it how do we know what's real and what's a conspiracy?

    Like just talking about things that are true isn't wrong. The whole banking system is too much. But what is right?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ridiculous, there is no need to invent a conspiracy. Isreal and the UK have aligned economic and military interests. There is no jewish shadow banking syndicate pulling the strings, there simply an understanding that the UK benefits from a state like Israel existing in the middle east and that if it didn't exist the UK's ability to project military force would be worse off and UK businesses would be worse off.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Rich people just love Fascism and here's an ethno-Fascist nation for some of them, claiming that their ethnicity makes them superior to everybody else, so of course they'll tend to support them.

    It's not at all surprising that the moneyed elites amongst the Jewish People would side with a regime that says they're inherently superior, same as the German elites sided with the Nazis. I mean, back in early Nazi times even the British moneyed elites were very drawn to Nazism and its ideas of racial superiority (there's even a photo of young princess Elizabeth being taught by her uncle - the then King - how to do a Nazi salute) up until the point Germany actually invaded Poland.

    You see the very wealthy supporting supremacists of their ethnicity all throughout History, no "conspiracy" necessary.

    Historically, quite independently of ethnicity you'll find it's the well educated middle classes that most resist the pull of chauvinism, and that seems to be exactly what we're seeing amongst the Jewish People now that the self-proclaimed representative of them all as full revealed itself as a Genocidal project.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    With the way the leader of Israel was killing journalists. It really did make the Jews control the media conspiracy, actually true, pretty funny if you think about it. But yes, that statement did have the airs of racism

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Then better stop the genocide before antisemitism gets normalized. It will increase the longer this continues.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How does banking factor into the genocide in gaza, or did you just reach for whatever jewish stereotype came to mind first?

    It's extremely easy to criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic and yet you failed spectacularly and have shown zero self reflection after getting correctly called out on it. Pathetic.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Oh, I'm not criticizing Israel. That's a done conclusion. I'm questioning why politicians in other countries go along with this. As far as I can see, and that's clearly shown, there's very good lobbying, information campaigns and lots of money. Even the Eurovision contest was full of money and influencing. I'm assuming influence alone can't do this, certainly not after protests. That leaves money. Who has a lot of money, meaning trillions, and reason to use it as leverage? Certain banks. Of course that's forbidden to say, but that omerta thing going on is now part of the stereotype.

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