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[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children)

Those are all mayors. With the exception of Zohran, by virtue of how massive NYC is, none have the ability to meaningfully influence federal politics. Your counterpoint just proves it's the Democrats functioning as the graveyard of leftist movements as they were designed to be. They have to allow meaningless wins to frustrate momentum.

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago* (9 children)

Fuck me, you can't be serious...

After decades of capitalists being elected, finally some of the most socialist people in the history of US win, and you're like "nah, nothing of importance has changed".

Come on, bruv!

Also, calling the mayor of NY a "meaningless win" is certainly a vibe...

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[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

Zohran has already condemned the righteous Palestinian resistance and caved to pressure from the national security state in having the NYPD Commissioner report to him directly instead of a subordinate.

My hope for Zohran is that he moderately decreases the cost of living for the people of New York. I don't expect a socialist revolution, though I'm ready and hopeful to be proven wrong.

Am I wrong that they have no meaningful influence over federal politics?

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Zohran has already condemned the righteous Palestinian resistance

You're confused, I think? He condemned and revoked some pro-Israeli decrees.

caved to pressure from the national security state in having the NYPD Commissioner report to him directly instead of a subordinate

Are you a bot? This sentence makes no sense. Even ignoring the fact that the NYPD Commissioner is a civilian who is appointed by and reports to the mayor (and that's been the case since the 19th century), your sentence seems to suggest that the Commissioner should be reporting to their subordinate? Which is impossible? Unless you mean "Mamdani's subordinate", which - again - makes no sense, because the Commissioner is supposed to report to the mayor, and you'd think it's good that a new, socialist mayor wants to keep close tabs on the famously racist and brutal police force?

Am I wrong that they have no meaningful influence over federal politics?

You're completely blind to the fact that Americans have - for the first time in recent history - voted for a socialist platform. That's the change.

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[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

No, I am not confused.

Sure, I'm a bot, whatever helps you sleep at night. But using my immense artificial intelligence known as "a brain", I can break that sentence down for you further:

"caved to pressure" means "acquiesced to demands"
"the national security state" refers to the political forces pushing broad surveillance and "pre-crime" approaches which was largely formed following Sep 11, 2001
"the NYPD Commissioner" is the head of the fascist New York Police Department state-sanctioned gang
"report to him directly instead of a subordinate" hopefully requires no elucidation, as that seems pretty straightforward

Even ignoring the fact that the NYPD Commissioner is a civilian

All police are civilians lmao, what point are you trying to make? She's the head of the brutal gang.

who is appointed by and reports to the mayor (and that’s been the case since the 19th century), your sentence seems to suggest that the Commissioner should be reporting to their subordinate? Which is impossible? Unless you mean “Mamdani’s subordinate”, which - again - makes no sense, because the Commissioner is supposed to report to the mayor, and you’d think it’s good that a new, socialist mayor wants to keep close tabs on the famously racist and brutal police force?

Mamdani stated previously that she would be reporting to the Deputy Mayor, which would've better insulated him from political pressure to conform with the aforementioned state-sanctioned gang. More info here.

You’re completely blind to the fact that Americans have - for the first time in recent history - voted for a socialist platform. That’s the change.

I'm not blind, I'm unimpressed. It's not a socialist platform, it's Democratic Socialism. We had actual socialists running multiple cities in America in the past. Wake me up when we get there or to federal influence - until then, I maintain that it's all theater. A pressure valve to help guarantee the momentum towards actual change is deflated before it can come to a head.

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

No, I am not confused.

Wait, hold on... Are you saying that Hamas is a "righteous Palestinian resistance"? Are you fucking insane?

I can break that sentence down for you further (...)

Ah... OK, you are fucking insane.

All police are civilians lmao

By definition, they are not. They are members of the executive branch of law enforcement.

She’s the head of the brutal gang

She's not. She's the civilian oversight over the brutal gang. The head of the brutal gang is the Chief of Department. She is not allowed to partake in any actual police operations. CoD is.

More info here.

Did you read the whole thing?

The two EOs he mentions are pointlessly stating the obvious. It's not the EO that defines responsibilities, it's the New York City Charter, Section 431, which states:

§ 431. Department; commissioner. a. There shall be a police department the head of which shall be the police commissioner who shall be appointed by the mayor and shall, unless sooner removed, hold office for a term of five years.

b. Whenever in the judgment of the mayor or the governor the public interests shall so require, the commissioner may be removed from office by either, and shall be ineligible for reappointment thereto.

c. Whenever a vacancy shall occur in the office of police commissioner, a police commissioner shall be appointed by the mayor within ten days thereafter.

Which means that Adams and de Blasio were just trying to pad their first EOs to make them look smarter, I guess? Like, they are literally repeating the law.

Mamdani, instead, stated that his deputy will "supervise and coordinate" the work of the Police Commissioner, which is - seemingly - what you wanted him to do, no?

So where exactly is the problem, mate?

Mamdani stated previously that she would be reporting to the Deputy Mayor

He didn't, in your own link it says that the deputy will "supervise and coordinate" the Police Department, among a billion other things. Supervision and coordination does not mean that the police "report directly" to the deputy.

I’m not blind, I’m unimpressed. It’s not a socialist platform, it’s Democratic Socialism. We had actual socialists running multiple cities in America in the past. Wake me up when we get there or to federal influence - until then, I maintain that it’s all theater.

You fucking people are the worst enemy of pro-human progress. It's always "all or nothing", you cannot be happy with small steps towards the betterment of people's lives, you'll just bitch and moan unless Marx is elected.

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