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All smoking should be banned in all public spaces (lemmy.world)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world
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It smells terribly, exposes others to negative health effects without consent and is one of the biggest causes of littering. Simply put it is a major nuisance with no benefits apart from profits for the tobacco/drug industry and addicts getting their high.

Could probably extend that to anywhere around minors in general too.

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[–] 29 points 10 months ago* (24 children)

As an ex-smoker who hates the smell of cigarettes probably more than non-smokers ever will, I don't disagree in theory. But we shouldn't stop with just assaults to one sensory perception. In for a penny in for a pound as they say.

Loud-ass exhausts, booming subwoofers, and other assaults on the ears should also be banned in public. Strong colognes and perfumes...also banned in public.

Ugly sweaters, poor fashion choices, and shitty cars with anime girls painted on the side? You guessed it: They're assaults on the eyes and should be banned in public

Or we could just deal with the fact that other people like things we don't like.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Nobody hates the smell of cigarettes like true ex smokers. It simultaniously turns our stomachs and reminds us we will never ever feel truly relaxed or happy ever again.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Those things are not no the same level as smoking.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    They're the same in that they bring some people joy while being offensive to others.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The effects of second hand smoke is not just offensive.

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  • [+] 10 points 10 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Second hand smoke risks have been heavily overstated.

    I was shocked (as a very strong anti-smoker myself).

    Even smoking itself only increases cancer risk a small amount, despite all the warnings. Though other lung issues are greater - those should be the focus to get people to quit, since they're an honest high risk.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    Alcohol is the same. Something like 6% of cancer deaths are attributed to alcohol. Its easy to make it look bad (and don't get me wrong it is bad). Worldwide something like 80% of liver cancers come from Hepatitis.

    Recent surveys in the U.S. have showed that 5% of parents have skipped hep b vaccines and another 4% have delayed the vaccination for hepatitis B.

    Those aren't directly comparable, but a person could drink every day of their life, and be 13 times less likely to die from liver cancer because a choice their guardian made.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Loud-ass exhausts, booming subwoofers...

    These can indeed have negative health effects and are banned in many places, the latter at least after certain hours (noise complaints!). MOT inspection fails vehicles with excessively loud exhausts and in many places you can get a "rolling inspection" from a traffic officer on the road resulting in a fine or "fix-it" ticket.

    Strong colognes and perfumes…also banned in public.

    Don't have negative health effects on most people, though you can be asked to leave from many health care institutions if using too strong scents. Not really comparable to smoking but the argument could certainly be made.

    Ugly sweaters, poor fashion choices, and shitty cars with anime girls painted on the side?

    Only causes death by second-hand embarrassment. Maybe not excessively scantily clad anime girls at a... kindergarten? but apart from that only emotions will be hurt.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    0 evidence for your bullshit. Perfume makes me feel sick. Call centerd ban perfumes for tbis reason. It is VERY comparable smoking. When I can smell peoples perfume as they drive past me, that is FAR worse than smoke.

    Don't have negative health effects on most people, though you can be asked to leave from many health care institutions if using too strong scents. Not really comparable to smoking but the argument could certainly be made.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I had a coworker once that I swear to god used to bathe in perfume. You could smell her 2 minutes before she crossed your path and 5 minutes afterwards.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 10 months ago

    Smoking causes negative health effects for everyone - this is not the case for perfumes. As I said, the argument could certainly be made to ban strong perfumes, but it isn't the one I'm making. I definitely reject the case that Adm. Patrick made that public smoking should be allowed because strong perfumes are allowed.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    No no no, you misunderstood þem... þey meant you don't matter, because you're not "most people."

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 10 months ago

    No no no, you misunderstood þem… þey meant you don’t matter, because you’re not “most people.”

    Don't put words in my mouth or claim that I mean things that I don't. It is a very simple observation that the demographic group everyone matters more than a smaller group of people. It's not that that smaller group "doesn't matter".

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