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LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL, you are ALL LIBERAL! NONE of you are free from LIBERALISM (media.piefed.social)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/tankiejerk@piefed.social
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[–] 5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Social liberal vs economic liberalism. They're different often opposed things. That have been forced to be strange bedfellows due to the constant undercurrents of fascism.

While many social liberals are privileged enough, to have never really thought about the negative impacts of the markets and economy on liberty. Plenty are open to alternatives to economic-liberalism. Economic liberals would rather reduce your liberty for the sake of their markets.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    I was talking about representatives.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    They're the economic liberals that the social liberals are forced to vote for.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    "The Liberals are forcing us to vote with the other Liberals."

    Hey look! It's the thing everyone is complaining about! So, so easily coopted into Fascism and "free" market inequalities.

    Who are you siding with today Liberals?

    Liberals: "We are once again going to be voting for the problems to continue, and refusing to look at solutions from outside our particular worldview or economic understandings... essentially being the lynch pins of it all, whilst claiming to be the one force with power enough to protect a marginal amount of compassion and benevolence built into the system (which we claim to have put there when it was largely Socialist protest movements and activists). Things are bad, but without us things would get worse and then very desperate."

    Liberals: Proud of maintaining and further worsening a collapsing system they'll happily watch others die to defend! ;)

    A high minded school of thought for the naive and the wealthy alike! The exact two groups the right wing abuse to justify their views too.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Write them off to your own determent. It's the thing the authies do.Yeah they absolutely need to kick the econ libs from the party. And take the parties back local.

    They have more in common with us than they do the econ libs. Apart of course from that understanding. Hyperbolically lumping them together will keep them from finding the understanding though that's for sure.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Who are you talking about as "them"?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Social liberals, like banjo self identified. Despite trending more traditionally syndicalist to even communist. I would happily debate economics rather than individual liberties any day. Even if I feel they're misguided. Those that share my economic leanings, but do not value individual liberty. Certainly aren't my allies. Leninists may as well be economic liberals. Improving the material conditions of the people doesn't mean a lot when your definition of the people is flexible and transactional. That just creates a new petite bourgeoisie every time.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago*

    Modern Monetary Theory is an alternative to Neo-Liberalism, which is Austrian-School economics in disguise.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism#traditions

    The Thirdway was a step to the right, and a dropping of Socialist values. Modern Monetary Theory keeps what's progressive, points out that inflation is the only constraint of spending in a sovereign fiat currency and does it all through historical facts and rigor.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5JTn7GS4oA

    I find it far more impressive than the pure-theory based economic schools. The common misconception is that MMT pushes for unconstrained spending when it's in fact very clear about what causes inflation.

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