▲ 100 ▼ Austria bans headscarves in schools for under-14s (www.bbc.com) submitted 11 months ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/world 37 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SourGumGum@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago* (7 children) Religion and telling people how they’re allowed to dress predates governments. All religion should be banned. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 14 points 11 months ago* (6 children) Pretty hard to say since they both go so far back, and in past times there was no distinction between them. Religion today is voluntary, at least in most of the world. Banning religion is just replacing one master with another. No thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago (2 children) Religion today is voluntary, at least in most of the world. You often don't have the autonomy to not participate in religion as a child if your parents want you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) True but I mean no one respects child autonomy anyway, so we would need to levy that criticism far more widely if we want to take it seriously. Plus I'm not sure I trust governments to protect child welfare more than their parents do. Parents are imperfect but when governments get it wrong the consequences are far more catastrophic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 11 months ago yup. we need to listen to kids more and treat them with more respect and do more to protect their rights. dress codes don't remotely accomplish this and do the opposite permalink fedilink source parent [–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children) With the lack of social acceptance for those of a different mindset, choosing differently usually makes one's life significantly more difficult than is justifiable. Therefore, no - it may technically be "voluntary," but the reality doesn't come close to matching that ideal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Fair but it's still more voluntary than stupid attempts by the government to tell people how to dress. The solution is to cultivate an educated, tolerant culture. This rule is a step in the opposite direction. How we dress or adorn ourselves is a fundamental part of human freedom of expression and I think it needs to be taken way more seriously than it typically is in most societies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago I agree, but control freaks will do whatever it takes to have their way, and so will manipulate people in any way possible to reach that end - including preventing that open-minded culture from taking root. Just look at Murdock's manipulation of the masses via his media empire for a blatant example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 14 points 11 months ago* (6 children) Pretty hard to say since they both go so far back, and in past times there was no distinction between them. Religion today is voluntary, at least in most of the world. Banning religion is just replacing one master with another. No thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago (2 children) Religion today is voluntary, at least in most of the world. You often don't have the autonomy to not participate in religion as a child if your parents want you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) True but I mean no one respects child autonomy anyway, so we would need to levy that criticism far more widely if we want to take it seriously. Plus I'm not sure I trust governments to protect child welfare more than their parents do. Parents are imperfect but when governments get it wrong the consequences are far more catastrophic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 11 months ago yup. we need to listen to kids more and treat them with more respect and do more to protect their rights. dress codes don't remotely accomplish this and do the opposite permalink fedilink source parent [–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children) With the lack of social acceptance for those of a different mindset, choosing differently usually makes one's life significantly more difficult than is justifiable. Therefore, no - it may technically be "voluntary," but the reality doesn't come close to matching that ideal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Fair but it's still more voluntary than stupid attempts by the government to tell people how to dress. The solution is to cultivate an educated, tolerant culture. This rule is a step in the opposite direction. How we dress or adorn ourselves is a fundamental part of human freedom of expression and I think it needs to be taken way more seriously than it typically is in most societies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago I agree, but control freaks will do whatever it takes to have their way, and so will manipulate people in any way possible to reach that end - including preventing that open-minded culture from taking root. Just look at Murdock's manipulation of the masses via his media empire for a blatant example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago (2 children) Religion today is voluntary, at least in most of the world. You often don't have the autonomy to not participate in religion as a child if your parents want you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) True but I mean no one respects child autonomy anyway, so we would need to levy that criticism far more widely if we want to take it seriously. Plus I'm not sure I trust governments to protect child welfare more than their parents do. Parents are imperfect but when governments get it wrong the consequences are far more catastrophic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 11 months ago yup. we need to listen to kids more and treat them with more respect and do more to protect their rights. dress codes don't remotely accomplish this and do the opposite permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) True but I mean no one respects child autonomy anyway, so we would need to levy that criticism far more widely if we want to take it seriously. Plus I'm not sure I trust governments to protect child welfare more than their parents do. Parents are imperfect but when governments get it wrong the consequences are far more catastrophic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 11 months ago yup. we need to listen to kids more and treat them with more respect and do more to protect their rights. dress codes don't remotely accomplish this and do the opposite permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 11 months ago yup. we need to listen to kids more and treat them with more respect and do more to protect their rights. dress codes don't remotely accomplish this and do the opposite permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children) With the lack of social acceptance for those of a different mindset, choosing differently usually makes one's life significantly more difficult than is justifiable. Therefore, no - it may technically be "voluntary," but the reality doesn't come close to matching that ideal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Fair but it's still more voluntary than stupid attempts by the government to tell people how to dress. The solution is to cultivate an educated, tolerant culture. This rule is a step in the opposite direction. How we dress or adorn ourselves is a fundamental part of human freedom of expression and I think it needs to be taken way more seriously than it typically is in most societies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago I agree, but control freaks will do whatever it takes to have their way, and so will manipulate people in any way possible to reach that end - including preventing that open-minded culture from taking root. Just look at Murdock's manipulation of the masses via his media empire for a blatant example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Fair but it's still more voluntary than stupid attempts by the government to tell people how to dress. The solution is to cultivate an educated, tolerant culture. This rule is a step in the opposite direction. How we dress or adorn ourselves is a fundamental part of human freedom of expression and I think it needs to be taken way more seriously than it typically is in most societies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago I agree, but control freaks will do whatever it takes to have their way, and so will manipulate people in any way possible to reach that end - including preventing that open-minded culture from taking root. Just look at Murdock's manipulation of the masses via his media empire for a blatant example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago I agree, but control freaks will do whatever it takes to have their way, and so will manipulate people in any way possible to reach that end - including preventing that open-minded culture from taking root. Just look at Murdock's manipulation of the masses via his media empire for a blatant example. permalink fedilink source parent