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Austria bans headscarves in schools for under-14s (www.bbc.com)
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[–] 14 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

Governments and telling people how they’re allowed to dress. Name a more iconic duo.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    It's a little weird to call out specific religions here for behavior they all engage in. Or at least all of the abrahamic ones, not as familiar with others.

    Anyway yeah religions are bad but as long as we live in a world where they are voluntary and government is not then I'm going to be a bit more upset about one than the other.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    It’s a little weird to call out specific religions here for behavior they all engage in.

    First, some religions have worse track records than others. Second, your imploration was to "name a more iconic duo", which you got. Third, what's actually weird is FGM and kiddy fiddling.

    religions are bad but as long as we live in a world where they are voluntary

    Religion isn't voluntary because it's perpetuated by the indoctrination of children.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Well specifically with genital mutilation and pedophilia it seems to be common across all abrahamic religions (maybe not equally in every sect though).

    We can quibble about what is truly voluntary but I just mean you're free to stop participating any time. If you decide you no longer want to follow their silly rules then you don't have to. Governments don't have that option unless you want to leave the country but that's not reasonable.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    you’re free to stop participating any time. If you decide you no longer want to follow their silly rules then you don’t have to.

    Sorry, nothing personal, but this is remarkably out of touch with reality. You frame it as being just as easy like not believing in Santa anymore. When children are raised in strict religious conditions it often means their entire identity and social structure is built around it. The slightest hint of doubt could mean negative repercussions, and wavering faith or leaving it has a high likelihood of being ostracized by the community. Not to speak of severe punishment. Moreover, brainwashed people lack the cognitive capabilities to question themselves. I'd even say the majority of humans struggle with this whether they are religious or not.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I think you're exaggerating a bit here. I never said it was easy but society is chock full of people who have exited religion. For the ones that are more cultlike it may be more difficult but otherwise it's fairly common for people to realize it's nonsense and leave.

    The ones where it's truly borderline impossible are where the religion is intwined with the state. In Islamist countries you can be prosecuted for leaving your religion. But is that a problem with religion or with government? To some extent it's both but the real issue is the ability of people to do violence to you with impunity. In modern society this is a feature of government and not religion.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    society is chock full of people who have exited religion

    Where the church and state has been separated the fear of doing so is decreased. This is not the case in all religious countries indeed. Hence why public education, which is state funded, should therefore be devoid of religion except for in history classes.

    But is that a problem with religion or with government? To some extent it’s both but the real issue is the ability of people to do violence to you with impunity. In modern society this is a feature of government and not religion.

    It's religion that causes people to want to do violence, the government doesn't interfere because it has been poisoned by that exact same religion.

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