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Maybe I've just got the wrong history book (lemmy.world)
submitted 11 months ago by to c/historymemes@piefed.social
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[–] 25 points 11 months ago (18 children)

That just tells me how often we fail to find the right answer and then continue going ahead like violence is the right answer. It's an indictment against us as a whole.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It takes two people to come to an agreement, but only one to start a fight.

    Ironically, Mutually Assured Destruction has actually prevented nuclear war, even if it did result in a lot of proxy wars.

    It's a real world example of the trolley problem. The US and USSR killed hundreds of thousands Vietnamese but saved the lives of billions of other folks.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Exactly. If we keep doing it, clearly it is not the answer but rather a postponement

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This is a situation like tolerance. People who are for tolerance do not need to tolerate intolerance to be tolerant, same goes for non-violence.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly. If we keep doing it, clearly it is not the answer but rather a postponement

    Clearly the answer to hunger is not eating. The answer to being tired is not sleeping. The answer to making a mistake is not apologizing...

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Violence is not a biological need. If you keep making the same mistake, an apology isn't the answer since clearly it means nothing. An actual apology with actual effort to not repeat that mistake is important

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Violence is not a biological need.

    You are clearly not familiar with the vast majority of animals on earth. The capacity for violence is very much a biological need, even if just to defend ones self.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    That just tells me how often we fail to find the right answer and then continue going ahead like violence is the right answer

    Okay, so what was the right answer to say... Hitler trying to take over the world?

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Not this again. The indictment is against Hitler. Hitler decided to go to war and commit genocide instead of going to therapy, maybe. Can we please just stop with the whatabout-ism?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    It's not whataboutism, it's a legitimate point. I agree that Hitler was the problem and at fault, but that doesn't change the fact that for the rest of the world the 'right' answer to the Hitler problem was in fact violence.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Sorry but there is an assumption implicit in your argument that tyrants like Hitler are somehow not human and are exceptional and not really a part of humanity. Well, they are.

    There is this quote that I absolutely love

    "No tyrant could thrive where every subject said no. The tyrant thrives when the first fucking fool salutes." -Steven Erikson.

    I repeat, it is really shameful of us that we are far too often the fools to salute.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Sorry but there is an assumption implicit in your argument that tyrants like Hitler are somehow not human and are exceptional and not really a part of humanity

    Never claimed or implied that. So don't really have anything to respond to here as this is all entirely unrelated to what I was saying.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Perhaps I am failing to make you understand that in my mind, Axis and Allies are a part of one larger group, humanity. Hitler starting the war to conquer Europe is a failing of humanity, in this case failing of Germans to stop Hitler from sparking the war. I am not saying that Allies responding in kind, with violence is failing. It was only appropriate. They most likely were left with no other choice.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It was only appropriate. They most likely were left with no other choice.

    Therefore, on the individual level there are in fact times when violence is the answer, even if that's just because it is the only answer remaining.

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