I looked it up and its fairly common enough but no solution. None that worked anyway. Machine is stable on ubuntu/debian with gnome. I keep having trouble with wayland working right on a some applications as well. Of course all the discussion on these bugs get washed out by the 'its not waylands fault' crowd. None of that fanaticism solves problems for me. They can't even prove their point of view but wont let you discuss the problem.

I tried kde again since it had been five or six years since I tried it. All in all it works but so does gnome. I keep seeing everyone talking about how much trouble it causes but I dont see it in my personal use of it.