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Day 13 (sh.itjust.works)
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i'm confused. I thought Aonishiki won. Onosato was already down on his left knee before A* touched the ground.

I've started following sumo this summer after stumbling on a post from this community. I need more information about this

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[–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

The more I think of it, I can see how it was a clear-cut call from the gyoji's perspective.

  • They have to be ready to make the "winner" call the second after the match is over, and they really don't have time to reason about things like Ozeki runs.
  • if they go by prejudicial gut feelings (like favoring higher ranks or favoring Japanese people) they're going to make enough bad calls that they won't be promoted to reffing the Makuuchi matches.
  • There's probably an IF-THEN in their head like "if a single wrestler is flying out of the ring, then they lose." That IF-THEN was applied before the "if someone hits the ground inside the ring then they lose" was needed.

Aonishiki did an outstanding job, but it's a lot like in football/soccer where someone makes a beautiful goal but it turns out they were a couple feet offsides so the goal is invalidated. It sucks, but those are the rules.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah but that could have been the reasoning behind the lack of mono-ii.

    Actually now I wanna watch the slowmo again because I think Ao had Ono's belt the whole time he was flying, so he could have Ura'd himself back into the ring and wasn't really "dead."

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Ok I watched the slowmo. Here's what I see, as a clueless gaijin, might be different to what others see.

    Ao had Ono's belt with his left hand. Ono steps forward with right leg, maybe bumps Ao's leg maybe not, but Ono slips with that right foot and falls towards. Ono's falling momentum skittles Ao's legs out from under him, so they're both falling towards each other with forward rotation, but Ono has more forward momentum, having started falling earlier and being closer to horizontal already, so Ao is flying backwards while rotating forwards, and as we saw his feet eventually land outside. Ao didn't jump, he was knocked back, feet first. So my idea of his belt grip enabling him to pivot forwards was far-fetched. He was already out of control.

    So Onosato fell first. Hit the ground first. And whether thru skill or yokozuna luck he managed to execute a winning move while falling, launching Aonishiki in such a way that he couldn't land in the ring.

    I still think it should have been a rematch, because Ono was already falling out of control with no way of landing on his feet when he skittled Ao.

    Maybe the real question is why do I care so much about this bout? Must be something about sumo...

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I still think it should have been a rematch, because Ono was already falling out of control with no way of landing on his feet when he skittled Ao.

    It's possible that the rules are different for a "dead body" inside the ring versus outside the ring. I dunno tho...

    Maybe the real question is why do I care so much about this bout? Must be something about sumo…

    Part of the charm is that it's so fast. The whole thing was over in 20 seconds, and many bouts are even quicker. Yet there's a lot of grabbing, turning, hitting, throwing, etc that goes on in that brief amount of time. For example, your previous comment is about who had the momentum and what they were doing -- over the course of like 3-4 seconds!

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