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On X11 and the Fascists Maggots (blogs.gnome.org)
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This is a truly WTF moment about messed up responses to X11 session removal in Gnome.

2 weeks ago I published a blogpost about the upcoming plans of GNOME 49 and the eventual removal of the X11 session. Since then, instead of looking at feedback, bugs and issues related to the topic, we all collectively had to deal with the following, and I am not exaggerating one bit:

  • Fascists and Nazis
  • Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
  • “Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
  • A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you

In my wildest dreams I could have never made this shit up. You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.

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[–] 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You need to think of the kind of people that are interested in nerdy computing topics. Regular people that just want to make something nice to share with the world, sure, but also incels, toxic masculinity proponents, etc.

They're mostly able to hide, because like you point out, computer science and related topics are mostly apolitical; when you make scary changes, however, those same latter people can't help themselves but to blame the villainous "They."

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ugh. people can suck sometimes. I can comprehend the concept of bigotry and all that, but it just deeply does not make sense to me. And I think I'm ultimately okay with not being able to empathize with actual hatred.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It makes me sad that some of the "nerdy" people in these spaces would join with the very people that would gladly throw them under the bus or use them as minority fodder, but as I've seen with experts in science, high intelligence in one area doesn't mean you are capable of critical thinking.

    ETA: to be clear, I'm not saying we should ignore scientists and experts, just that specialized expertise ≠ general expertise.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The two people I trust least on matters of science are some person who reckons it's common sense and someone with a doctorate in something vaguely similar.

    The third and fourth are every engineer and every physician that isn't actually an expert on the thing, but that's because we think we know everything.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I am definitionally incel, wanna say that does not make me a nazi. In fact, I despise the entire tenets of nazism.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Incel means more than the state of not being in a relationship, these days. Some very sad and terrible people turned it into a subculture that revolves around imaginary grievances directed at women.

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