▲ 1136 ▼ AI Coding Is Massively Overhyped, Report Finds (futurism.com) submitted 1 year ago by SparroHawc@lemmy.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 223 comments fedilink hide all child comments "No Duh," say senior developers everywhere. The article explains that vibe code often is close, but not quite, functional, requiring developers to go in and find where the problems are - resulting in a net slowdown of development rather than productivity gains.
[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 71 points 1 year ago (15 children) “No Duh,” say senior developers everywhere. I'm so glad this was your first line in the post permalink fedilink source hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) No duh, says a layman who never wrote code in his life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago (11 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 year ago (7 children) Oddly enough, my grasp of coding is probably the same as the guy in the middle but I still know that LLM generated code is garbage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Yeah, I actually considered putting the same text on all 3, but we gotta put the idiots that think it's great somewhere! Maybe I should have put it with the dumbest guy instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Think this one needs a bimodal curve with the two peaks representing the "caught up in the hype" average coder and the realistic average coder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Agreed, that's why it didn't feel quite right when I made it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago Yeah, there’s definitely morons out there who never bothered to even read about the theory of good code design. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago I guess I'm one of the morons then, but what do I know. I've only been coding since the 90s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 point 1 year ago All the best garbage to learn from, to debug, debug, debug, sharpening those skills. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago That's kinda wrong though. I've seen llm's write pretty good code, in some cases even doing something clever I hadn't thought of. You should treat it as any junior though, and read the code changes and give feedback if needed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Thing is both statements can be true. Used appropriately and in the right context, LLMs can accelerate some select work. But the hype level is 'human replacement is here (or imminent, depending on if the company thinks the audience is willing to believe yet or not)'. Recently Anthropic suggested someone could just type 'make a slack clone' and it'll all be done and perfect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mirror Giraffe@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago This. Like with any tool you have to learn how and when to use it. I've started to get the hang of what tasks it improves but I don't think I've regained the hours I've spent learning it yet. But as the tool and my understanding of it improves it'll probably happen some day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 year ago Heh. That's a fun chart. If that's programming aptitude, I scored 80 on that part of the broad spectrum aptitude test I got a sneak-peek chance to do several parts of. Well now I know why I'm so easily in agreement with "senior coders", if it is programming aptitude quotient. If it's just iq, ... pulls hood up to block the glare. Daunting that there may be a middling bias getting apparent advantages. Evolution may not serve us well like that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 point 1 year ago And many between "seniour developers everywhere" and "a layman who never wrote code in his life". Like me, I'm saying it too. A big ol "No duh". Disbelieve the hype. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SparroHawc@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 1 year ago If not to editorialize, what else is the text box for? :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) No duh, says a layman who never wrote code in his life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago (11 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 year ago (7 children) Oddly enough, my grasp of coding is probably the same as the guy in the middle but I still know that LLM generated code is garbage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Yeah, I actually considered putting the same text on all 3, but we gotta put the idiots that think it's great somewhere! Maybe I should have put it with the dumbest guy instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Think this one needs a bimodal curve with the two peaks representing the "caught up in the hype" average coder and the realistic average coder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Agreed, that's why it didn't feel quite right when I made it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago Yeah, there’s definitely morons out there who never bothered to even read about the theory of good code design. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago I guess I'm one of the morons then, but what do I know. I've only been coding since the 90s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 point 1 year ago All the best garbage to learn from, to debug, debug, debug, sharpening those skills. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago That's kinda wrong though. I've seen llm's write pretty good code, in some cases even doing something clever I hadn't thought of. You should treat it as any junior though, and read the code changes and give feedback if needed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Thing is both statements can be true. Used appropriately and in the right context, LLMs can accelerate some select work. But the hype level is 'human replacement is here (or imminent, depending on if the company thinks the audience is willing to believe yet or not)'. Recently Anthropic suggested someone could just type 'make a slack clone' and it'll all be done and perfect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mirror Giraffe@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago This. Like with any tool you have to learn how and when to use it. I've started to get the hang of what tasks it improves but I don't think I've regained the hours I've spent learning it yet. But as the tool and my understanding of it improves it'll probably happen some day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 year ago Heh. That's a fun chart. If that's programming aptitude, I scored 80 on that part of the broad spectrum aptitude test I got a sneak-peek chance to do several parts of. Well now I know why I'm so easily in agreement with "senior coders", if it is programming aptitude quotient. If it's just iq, ... pulls hood up to block the glare. Daunting that there may be a middling bias getting apparent advantages. Evolution may not serve us well like that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 point 1 year ago And many between "seniour developers everywhere" and "a layman who never wrote code in his life". Like me, I'm saying it too. A big ol "No duh". Disbelieve the hype. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago (11 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 year ago (7 children) Oddly enough, my grasp of coding is probably the same as the guy in the middle but I still know that LLM generated code is garbage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Yeah, I actually considered putting the same text on all 3, but we gotta put the idiots that think it's great somewhere! Maybe I should have put it with the dumbest guy instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Think this one needs a bimodal curve with the two peaks representing the "caught up in the hype" average coder and the realistic average coder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Agreed, that's why it didn't feel quite right when I made it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago Yeah, there’s definitely morons out there who never bothered to even read about the theory of good code design. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago I guess I'm one of the morons then, but what do I know. I've only been coding since the 90s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 point 1 year ago All the best garbage to learn from, to debug, debug, debug, sharpening those skills. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago That's kinda wrong though. I've seen llm's write pretty good code, in some cases even doing something clever I hadn't thought of. You should treat it as any junior though, and read the code changes and give feedback if needed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Thing is both statements can be true. Used appropriately and in the right context, LLMs can accelerate some select work. But the hype level is 'human replacement is here (or imminent, depending on if the company thinks the audience is willing to believe yet or not)'. Recently Anthropic suggested someone could just type 'make a slack clone' and it'll all be done and perfect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mirror Giraffe@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago This. Like with any tool you have to learn how and when to use it. I've started to get the hang of what tasks it improves but I don't think I've regained the hours I've spent learning it yet. But as the tool and my understanding of it improves it'll probably happen some day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 year ago Heh. That's a fun chart. If that's programming aptitude, I scored 80 on that part of the broad spectrum aptitude test I got a sneak-peek chance to do several parts of. Well now I know why I'm so easily in agreement with "senior coders", if it is programming aptitude quotient. If it's just iq, ... pulls hood up to block the glare. Daunting that there may be a middling bias getting apparent advantages. Evolution may not serve us well like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 year ago (7 children) Oddly enough, my grasp of coding is probably the same as the guy in the middle but I still know that LLM generated code is garbage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Yeah, I actually considered putting the same text on all 3, but we gotta put the idiots that think it's great somewhere! Maybe I should have put it with the dumbest guy instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Think this one needs a bimodal curve with the two peaks representing the "caught up in the hype" average coder and the realistic average coder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Agreed, that's why it didn't feel quite right when I made it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago Yeah, there’s definitely morons out there who never bothered to even read about the theory of good code design. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago I guess I'm one of the morons then, but what do I know. I've only been coding since the 90s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 point 1 year ago All the best garbage to learn from, to debug, debug, debug, sharpening those skills. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago That's kinda wrong though. I've seen llm's write pretty good code, in some cases even doing something clever I hadn't thought of. You should treat it as any junior though, and read the code changes and give feedback if needed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Yeah, I actually considered putting the same text on all 3, but we gotta put the idiots that think it's great somewhere! Maybe I should have put it with the dumbest guy instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Think this one needs a bimodal curve with the two peaks representing the "caught up in the hype" average coder and the realistic average coder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Agreed, that's why it didn't feel quite right when I made it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago Yeah, there’s definitely morons out there who never bothered to even read about the theory of good code design. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago I guess I'm one of the morons then, but what do I know. I've only been coding since the 90s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Think this one needs a bimodal curve with the two peaks representing the "caught up in the hype" average coder and the realistic average coder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Agreed, that's why it didn't feel quite right when I made it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Agreed, that's why it didn't feel quite right when I made it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago Yeah, there’s definitely morons out there who never bothered to even read about the theory of good code design. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago I guess I'm one of the morons then, but what do I know. I've only been coding since the 90s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 point 1 year ago All the best garbage to learn from, to debug, debug, debug, sharpening those skills. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago That's kinda wrong though. I've seen llm's write pretty good code, in some cases even doing something clever I hadn't thought of. You should treat it as any junior though, and read the code changes and give feedback if needed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Thing is both statements can be true. Used appropriately and in the right context, LLMs can accelerate some select work. But the hype level is 'human replacement is here (or imminent, depending on if the company thinks the audience is willing to believe yet or not)'. Recently Anthropic suggested someone could just type 'make a slack clone' and it'll all be done and perfect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mirror Giraffe@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago This. Like with any tool you have to learn how and when to use it. I've started to get the hang of what tasks it improves but I don't think I've regained the hours I've spent learning it yet. But as the tool and my understanding of it improves it'll probably happen some day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mirror Giraffe@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago This. Like with any tool you have to learn how and when to use it. I've started to get the hang of what tasks it improves but I don't think I've regained the hours I've spent learning it yet. But as the tool and my understanding of it improves it'll probably happen some day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 year ago Heh. That's a fun chart. If that's programming aptitude, I scored 80 on that part of the broad spectrum aptitude test I got a sneak-peek chance to do several parts of. Well now I know why I'm so easily in agreement with "senior coders", if it is programming aptitude quotient. If it's just iq, ... pulls hood up to block the glare. Daunting that there may be a middling bias getting apparent advantages. Evolution may not serve us well like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 point 1 year ago And many between "seniour developers everywhere" and "a layman who never wrote code in his life". Like me, I'm saying it too. A big ol "No duh". Disbelieve the hype. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SparroHawc@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 1 year ago If not to editorialize, what else is the text box for? :) permalink fedilink source parent