▲ 149 ▼ Spotify is finally taking steps to address its AI slop and clone problem (www.theverge.com) submitted 1 year ago by ardi60@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 18 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Yeah, I really wonder where Synth V created songs will fall under this rule, cause even though the VAs were paid and it still requires good tuning, they're technically AI... Maybe the older songs and the new popular songs will be fine due to having recognition, but any new small time producers are gonna suffer if they've got boys doing the checking. I don't use Spotify, but I assume they do know Vocaloid (and Miku) exists right? At least YT music has a recommended playlist for vocaloid songs anyway. Edit: I know that Miku isn't AI, and I'd never call her + the others AI. But Krypton has given Miku and the others AI voicebanks recently (although I heard the aren't that good) and Synth V is getting more popular (Teto, Yi Xi, Elanor Forte, etc.). Hell, there are some Synth V songs that I've heard that I thought were real people... But I'm worried about those who don't know this info just doing a blanket "no robots/no AI" and nuking Vocaloid/V Synth songs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) That's an issue with how AI is defined though isn't it? A decade ago, no one would have counted Miku as AI. It's just that marketing teams and the media has abused the term that now almost any algorithm can be termed AI even if it never utilizes any mechanism that would be under the umbrella of the academics' definition of AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, everyone has slapped AI on everything and it sucks. What's unfortunate is Krypton's v6 (2022) editions include some AI voicebanks that are apparently mid, they make stuff sound more natural but don't help tuning that much. The singers were properly paid, but outsiders aren't gonna know that and will assume, "oh it's just like all the other techbro nonsense." Basically anything pre-2022 is fine historically, Krypton literally didn't have AI voice banks anyway and everyone in the fandom already knew you had to put effort into making a song with a Vocaloid, as they're literally synths. But now more and more people are discovering the fandom without knowing the history, and if the first thing they see is "Look, we have AI now!", not realizing that it's only for naturalization/minor tuning and not "make me a song", they'll just throw it in the same pile. permalink fedilink source parent [–] arararagi@ani.social 1 point 1 year ago Miku is more of an instrument, it's why only musicians used it compared to AI slop. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Yeah, I really wonder where Synth V created songs will fall under this rule, cause even though the VAs were paid and it still requires good tuning, they're technically AI... Maybe the older songs and the new popular songs will be fine due to having recognition, but any new small time producers are gonna suffer if they've got boys doing the checking. I don't use Spotify, but I assume they do know Vocaloid (and Miku) exists right? At least YT music has a recommended playlist for vocaloid songs anyway. Edit: I know that Miku isn't AI, and I'd never call her + the others AI. But Krypton has given Miku and the others AI voicebanks recently (although I heard the aren't that good) and Synth V is getting more popular (Teto, Yi Xi, Elanor Forte, etc.). Hell, there are some Synth V songs that I've heard that I thought were real people... But I'm worried about those who don't know this info just doing a blanket "no robots/no AI" and nuking Vocaloid/V Synth songs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) That's an issue with how AI is defined though isn't it? A decade ago, no one would have counted Miku as AI. It's just that marketing teams and the media has abused the term that now almost any algorithm can be termed AI even if it never utilizes any mechanism that would be under the umbrella of the academics' definition of AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, everyone has slapped AI on everything and it sucks. What's unfortunate is Krypton's v6 (2022) editions include some AI voicebanks that are apparently mid, they make stuff sound more natural but don't help tuning that much. The singers were properly paid, but outsiders aren't gonna know that and will assume, "oh it's just like all the other techbro nonsense." Basically anything pre-2022 is fine historically, Krypton literally didn't have AI voice banks anyway and everyone in the fandom already knew you had to put effort into making a song with a Vocaloid, as they're literally synths. But now more and more people are discovering the fandom without knowing the history, and if the first thing they see is "Look, we have AI now!", not realizing that it's only for naturalization/minor tuning and not "make me a song", they'll just throw it in the same pile. permalink fedilink source parent [–] arararagi@ani.social 1 point 1 year ago Miku is more of an instrument, it's why only musicians used it compared to AI slop. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) That's an issue with how AI is defined though isn't it? A decade ago, no one would have counted Miku as AI. It's just that marketing teams and the media has abused the term that now almost any algorithm can be termed AI even if it never utilizes any mechanism that would be under the umbrella of the academics' definition of AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, everyone has slapped AI on everything and it sucks. What's unfortunate is Krypton's v6 (2022) editions include some AI voicebanks that are apparently mid, they make stuff sound more natural but don't help tuning that much. The singers were properly paid, but outsiders aren't gonna know that and will assume, "oh it's just like all the other techbro nonsense." Basically anything pre-2022 is fine historically, Krypton literally didn't have AI voice banks anyway and everyone in the fandom already knew you had to put effort into making a song with a Vocaloid, as they're literally synths. But now more and more people are discovering the fandom without knowing the history, and if the first thing they see is "Look, we have AI now!", not realizing that it's only for naturalization/minor tuning and not "make me a song", they'll just throw it in the same pile. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, everyone has slapped AI on everything and it sucks. What's unfortunate is Krypton's v6 (2022) editions include some AI voicebanks that are apparently mid, they make stuff sound more natural but don't help tuning that much. The singers were properly paid, but outsiders aren't gonna know that and will assume, "oh it's just like all the other techbro nonsense." Basically anything pre-2022 is fine historically, Krypton literally didn't have AI voice banks anyway and everyone in the fandom already knew you had to put effort into making a song with a Vocaloid, as they're literally synths. But now more and more people are discovering the fandom without knowing the history, and if the first thing they see is "Look, we have AI now!", not realizing that it's only for naturalization/minor tuning and not "make me a song", they'll just throw it in the same pile. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arararagi@ani.social 1 point 1 year ago Miku is more of an instrument, it's why only musicians used it compared to AI slop. permalink fedilink source parent