The Palestinian resistance group Hamas marked 700 days of Israel’s genocidal campaign in Gaza on Friday, calling it a “stain on humanity” and urging the international community to take decisive action against the ongoing atrocities.

In a statement, Hamas highlighted its efforts to reach a ceasefire and a prisoner exchange agreement, stressing that it had “shown significant flexibility” in negotiations.

The movement blamed the repeated failure of mediators on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and called him “a war criminal committed to undermining diplomatic initiatives, pursuing indefinite plans of extermination and displacement, and placing the lives of captives at risk to serve his government’s agenda.”

Hamas renewed its call to the international community, including Arab and Islamic countries, the UN, and its organs, particularly the UN Security Council, to “fulfill their responsibilities toward the Palestinian people and intervene to halt the crimes of the fascist occupation government.”

The movement emphasized the need for “punitive measures against Israel,” warning that “mere condemnations are insufficient” and that, without substantial consequences, Israel would “continue its crimes without regard for international protests or positions.”

Hamas also praised global grassroots solidarity with the Palestinian people and welcomed the launch of the Global Sumud Flotilla, an initiative to break the blockade on Gaza.

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[+] 3 points 1 year ago (55 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (53 children)

    You are mistaken as to when the Palestinian war started in their eyes. The war started in when they/their families were forced from their homes with only what they could carry so that Jewish people could have Israel. It never stopped because from their POV Israel never stopped murdering them and stealing their land.

    If you understand the above you should be able to grasp why they see Hamas as a resistance force. We now look at the French resistance to the German occupation as “the good guys” in that conflict. Had Germany won WWII we might look at the French resistance as “the bad guys”.

    Your perspective on who is and isn’t right in this conflict isn’t as black and white as you are making it out to be.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago* (51 children)

    Name one single instance of 'Islamic militias' genociding Jews in Palesine.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (50 children)

    Just because they haven't ever been able to doesn't mean they don't WANT to. ;)

    The most prominent example I can think of prior to the October 7th attack would have been the 1972 terrorist attack at the Munich Olympics:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

    But the continual "you committed an atrocity so we're going to do another" back and forth back and forth for 6,000 years is only going to ensure everyone there gets killed unless someone forces it to stop.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Palestine was occupied in 72. Yes , palestinians killing innocent israelis is wrong and should be condemned but we need to acknowledge the root of the problem otherwise you eon't stop the violence

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago (44 children)

    Name one single instance of ‘Islamic militias’ genociding Jews in Palesine.

    Names targeted killing of Israelis outside o Palestine

    I didn't say back and forth. I said name one.

    The only party continually massacaring Jews were Europeans. There wasn't a genocide of Palestinian Jews in the Caliphate. In fact the Jews living in Palestine before colonialism detested their violent colonialist counterparts.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (43 children)

    "Just because they haven'r been ABLE to doesn't mean they don't WANT to."

    The genocidal language thrown by both sides has been going on for thousands of years.

    The thing is, you can't engage in a genocide unless you're in a position of power first and if you're continually disenfranchised, you literally cannot engage in genocide.

    The will is there, the ability is not.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (41 children)

    The genocidal language thrown by both sides has been going on for thousands of years.

    No it hasn't. Name a single instance of Jews being genocided in those "thousands of years" which wasn't when the area was under European control.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    Memri was created by Yigal Carmon a former Israeli intelligence officer who opposed oslo accords. Please do better. Thr both side want to destroy each other BS only help isrsel and it's backers

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (24 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

    Maybe israel should end occupation to end the cycle of violence and you should support a one state eith equal rights and a truth snd reconciliation process. Or are you one of those guys who think jews and muslims has a natural urge to kill each others

    Also stop conflating palestinians with all arabs and muslims that's a racist logic.

    Palestinians want to live freely that's all. Only naive people would think after they are free from occupation palestinians will still attack. If you believe otherwise you are doing settler colonialism apologia without realizing it

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    You will never have equal rights in one state because the two sides will never allow that. Each believes the other should not exist.

    Both sides are saying "From the river to the sea." They want the full elimination of the other.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (21 children)

    That's anttisemetic. Both side are semite but you think it is in their nature to fight each other. Yes Any group of people can live in peace again like many periods before that you chose ignore. If germany who almost exterminate jews is not israel strongest ally, if countries that was enemy in the deadliest conflict ever can be become allies palestinians and israel can to.

    You clearly don't believe in any solution neither a one or two state but you are in denial and don't realize it

    Palestinians said you end occupation, we drop arms. Certain arabs offered a one state since the beginning, before the nekba. The plo also offered it

    There was people like you who was tslking about how aparteith can't end in south africa because black South african would have took vengence for all the year of oppression

    Did you ever ask any rrgular palestinian what they mean by from river to the sea palestine is free?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    It has nothing to do with their nature, nobody is born hating anyone, that's learned behavior.

    Both sides have stated, repeatedly, that they believe they are owed exclusive rights to the territory of Israel to the exclusion of all others.

    That belief is inherently the source of the conflict. It's taught and learned and re-inforced by repeated violent acts.

    It can't be stopped by anyone other than an external 3rd party stepping in and treating them like the misbehaving children they are. "I don't care who started it, both of you go to your rooms."

    But nobody has the will to step up and tell them to knock this shit off.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (19 children)

    If you don't believe that it is in their blood, why do you believe if israel end occupation , palestinians would still try to destroy israel? And why did you said a one state with equal rights will never happen when history is full of enemies turning to ally? Why are you ignoring one state proporsal by arabs?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

    "From the River to the Sea". Both the Palestinians and Israelis hold on to this. The only thing either will be satisfied with is the complete obliteration of the other.

    There needs to be a forced separation. "You, go over here, you go over there, leave each other the fuck alone."

    They won't do it themselves because they legitimately believe they have a right to ALL the territory.

    This is why you get the numerous illegal Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory over and over and over again.

    https://www.crisisgroup.org/visual-explainers/israeli-settlements/

    Israel isn't going to stop it, they don't want to stop it. They want full occupation.

    Palestine physically can't stop it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

    You didn't answer a single question i asked in my last response. And from river to the sea palestinians means different thing from different person. The original use was by plo to refer to a one state and many other anti occupation believe the same. Just because some people hijacked the term doesn't mean we can't use it. Similar how conservstive hijacked the term woke from black people. You can disagree with the formulation i have no problem with that but please don't use it to talk about how all antioccupation people want to destroy israel. It is factually false

    Israel isn't going to stop it, they don't want to stop it. They want full occupation. Palestine physically can't stop it.

    Maybe yes maybe not. Other people when was occupied may have thought the same like indian. Indian still got their freedom after 200 years. The longest occupation i believe was 700 years.

    You can't expect palestinians to do nothing , at some point people are not in mental state to think rationally and to not take revenge legimate or not. That is not an justification but an acknowledge of the context and the issue to try to solve it.

    If you lived in a word where someone can kill your family and your neighborhood and oppress other people you know and the police and the government know about it and let it happen . Not that only but they are protecting the killer. Trust me you would take vengence and cause a massacre

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Jordan you can't start of answering in place of a terrible user then use that as an excuse when called out.

    You started this entire thing with something unrelated and now don't want to continue after showing how wrong you are? You don't get to keep doing this every fucking time

    Just because they haven't ever been able to doesn't mean they don't WANT to. ;)

    The most prominent example I can think of prior to the October 7th attack would have been the 1972 terrorist attack at the Munich Olympics:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

    But the continual "you committed an atrocity so we're going to do another" back and forth back and forth for 6,000 years is only going to ensure everyone there gets killed unless someone forces it to stop.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    One wants to eliminate the people living in the area and the other the government.

    Either way that still ignores you eagerly jumping into a thread then yelling to stop as soon as it doesn't go your way

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    The difference is Palestinians want a land for both, which is what from the river to the sea means, while Israel wants just the land.

    Again you're ignorance is astounding

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Palestinians do not want the land for both, they want their land back and that means eliminating the Israelis who will not give it up willingly.

    See the quote from Efraim Karsh quoted from "Arafat's War: The Man and His Battle for Israeli Conquest". 2004 Grove Press. here:

    https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calls_for_the_destruction_of_Israel

    "The new "free and democratic society" was perceived not as a true partnership between equal groups sharing sovereignty over a specific territory, but rather as an Arab-Muslim state in which Jews would be reduced to a permanent minority status, a modern-day version of the ahl al-dhimma" system of "protected non-Muslim minorities" that had existed since Islam's early days [...] The PLO's pretence that those Jewish citizens of the defunct state of Israel who would like to become citizens new Arab Palestine would be allowed to do so was patently false [...] the Palestinian National Covenant, revised in July 1968 [...] states explicitly that only those Jews "who were normally resident in Palestine up to the beginning of the Zionist invasion are Palestinians." Since most of Israel's citizens are an integral part of this "Zionist invasion," the practical meaning of this declaration is that the prospective Palestinian state would be virtually Judenrein[b]."

    Bolding mine. The Judenrein link goes to this definition:

    "A Nazi word to designate an area that has been "cleansed" of Jews during the Holocaust."

    The plan is to cleanse Israel of Jews, full stop. Just as much as Israel wants to cleanse Israel of Palestinians. Neither side can be allowed to proceed with genocide, and yet nobody wants to stop them either.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Did you read your source or the references.

    1 it's not even Palestinians but just a list of Arabs upset at the situation since the 40s, and 2 even has such references as Iran saying we do not wish to eliminate the people simply the Israeli government

    https://www.france24.com/en/20191115-khamenei-says-iran-wants-removal-of-israel-state-not-people

    You're entire argument is simply the same as what Israel is currently doing to the Palestinians expressed by 1 historian.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Again, eliminating the government will not, ever, reclaim the land.

    Same with the "Land Back" idiots in the US. If the US government stopped existing today, that would not return a single square inch of land back to native peoples.

    The only way to get the land back is to take it, and the only way to take it is to get rid of the people currently living there.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is amazing. Because in your mind the only way to get land back is killing everyone, the only answer is the Palestinians want to kill everyone.

    It's almost like the system needs to be changed completely just like in the USA to actually have equal rights for all.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They aren't giving it up voluntarily, are you not paying attention?

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/22/mapping-1800-israeli-settler-attacks-in-the-occupied-west-bank-since-october-7

    "Please sirs, could you please give us our land back and stop killing us? Please?"

    Good luck with that. Flip it around?

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-gunmen-kill-six-jerusalem-bus-stop-shooting-2025-09-08/

    We're at a point where the violence is self perpetuating. The idea that the land can be shared is a pipe dream. The only solution is an enforced two state solution, neither side is capable of doing that on their own, and no 3rd party is willing to do it.

    So it's just going to keep going like this until all of one side is dead.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ah yes those getting oppressed must be good little victims and not resist! Totally the same as kill them all.

    Regardless the point is Israel has to be treated like Germany before and South Africa, honestly so should the USA at this point, and have the government dismantled and replaced.

    Reminder for all this argument from Jordan started by refusing to accept that was an option.

    https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/22618519 https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/22618519

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You misunderstand, they lack the capability of resisting. They don't have the manpower, equipment, or weapons to resist in any sort of realistic way.

    They can't feed themselves, how do you expect them to resist?

    30 years of an illegal blockade will do that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You misunderstand, I’m not here to answer your questions and have no obligation to answer them. You don't answer my question because you don't have any answers. You can't say a single valid counter argument to prove that there is zero way for Palestinians to stop hating Israeli and claiming that ever if Israel end occupation they would still try to destroy israel. It is factually wrong

    It’s not that the Palestinians need to do more or have been doing the wrong things, it’s that after being blockaded by Israel since the 90s they are physically incapable of doing anything effective. They don’t have the resources.

    Whatever their a chance it happen or not is not the point. No matter how impossible something is people should do the right thing and not dropping arms

    So what we’re going to see is the inevitable back and forth until one side or the other are annihilated. There is no “winning” here.

    How Israel succeeded in their plan means that no one is winning? t It would mean the genocidal state won with the complicity of the major western countries and the Arab leaders traitors . You are even contracting yourself in the same post. You say that Palestinians can't do nothing about Israel finishing it's final solution and at the same time claim that Palestinians can destroy Israel

    Instead of both siding the conflict and dropping your arms . You should acknowledge the core issue , you should support never giving up. You should support any action trying to change the situation no matter how futile it is.

    You clearly lack critical thinking and is too naive . This is my last reply to this useless conversation where you ignore every single argument

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    They call for armed struggle against the occupying entity committing Genocide.

    What is genocidal about this?

    I am talking about historical actions. Actual persecution of Jews in Palestine under Islamic rule because they could. Not random statements taken out of context.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Again, repeated calls for the elimination of Israel. It's just as genocidal as the repeated calls for the elimination of Palestine.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Genocide cannot be committed against a country. Israel calls for genocide against Palestinians.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    By claiming to want to "wipe Israel off the map", that's a desire to eliminate Israelis which is the definition of genocide.

    https://iccforum.com/genocide-convention

    ✅ (a)Killing members of the group;

    ✅ (b)Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

    ✅ (c)Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    (d)Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    (e)Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Damn that's crazy. I didn't know Nelson Mandela committed Genocide on Apartheid South Africa. Thanks explaining how genocide works.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's not me, that's the Article 2 of the Genocide Convention. You'd think someone named "Geneva Convenience" would already know that.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Which group is "the country of Israel" part of? Is there a difference between a country and people?

    Or do you think they issue a fatwa for Jihad against this guy? https://youtu.be/V1bFr2SWP1I

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    So you are saying that when Iran says "wipe Israel off the map" they aren't targeting the Jewish majority of Israel? Because that's EXACTLY what they are doing.

    Same as when Netanyahu says Israel wants to control all the land from the river to the sea, he's talking about wiping out all the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza (although he has his eyes on Syria, and Lebanon too).

    Both statements are affirmations of genocide.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yep, the will to end Israel is there. It's also here.

    Remember when the German state was dismantled because it comitted a genocide?

    It seems like you believe anti-zionism and anti-semitism is the same thing. One is an ethnic group (technically several, including palestinians, but we all know it usually means jewish people) and the other is a nationality.

    Not all jews are zionists, and not all zionists are jews.

    Let's dismantle the genocidal state, give displaced palestinians the right to return to their country, try every war criminal and genocidal maniac in an international court and let the Palestinian people decide how the want to run their own fucking country, for once.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh, no, anti-semitism and anti-zionism are two very different things. Just how some people can't separate the difference between American patriotism and white supremacy. Related? Overlapping? Sure, but not the same.

    Here's the problem... The Palestinian people HAVE decided, multiple times, how they want to run their own country and Israel has rejected it multiple times.

    The first time, they elected the PLO, Israel declared them terrorists and began a war of aggression.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization

    Down to even attempting to assassinate a US Ambassador who dared to recognize and communicate with the PLO:

    https://www.wrmea.org/2004-may/israel-s-failed-assassination-attempt-on-u.s.-ambassador-documented.html

    The second time they went "You know what? If you're going to call us terrorists and treat us like terrorists ANYWAY, fine, fuck it, here's Hamas. Good luck!" Hamas won 74 of the 132 seats in Parliament.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

    Israel now takes the position "there are no innocent Palestinians".

    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-poll-62-of-israelis-say-there-are-no-innocent-people-in-gaza

    Yet another thing Bush can burn in hell for:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/was-hamas-elected-to-govern-gaza-george-w-bush-2006-palestinian-election.html

    But would it have been any different if the 2006 election HAD been shut down the way Israel wanted? Unlikely, because like I say, Israel has been pulling this shit longer than that, Hamas is just their latest excuse.

    Israel doesn't want Palestine to exist, full stop. The feeling is mutual. The only real solution is a forced co-existence which neither side really wants.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't pretend like you understand people in Palestine. You know that you don't.

    And don't pretend that anyone can decide how the want to run their country while it is being occupied by a foreign power that kills children without remorse.

    It's great that you want to show you have some understanding of history, but you weave back and forth and talk about mutuality, while you repeatedly recognize Israel sabotaging every attempt at peace.

    Israel is the problem. Palestine is being occupied and genocided.

    Don't try to calm your conscience by rationalizing yourself into inaction.

    The solution is stopping the genocide, ending Israeli occupation and giving palestinians the right to return to their land.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, I personally know people brutalized by the illegal Israeli occupation in Southern Lebanon, so, yeah, I just might.

    One of them was a doctor. Israeli troops would roll up on his house in the middle of the night, tell him if he resisted he would be shot, hauled him off to treat some prisoner, and then would dump him at the side of the road like so much garbage when they were done with him... until the next time...

    But, yeah, what do I know...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh so they definetly want to exterminate jews, but you can't confirm it because they don't have the capability yet, but as soon as they have the capability, you will have proof?

    That's witch trial logic.

    Is that "massacre" really the best argument you've got? They took hostages, trying to get a political decision made and the hostages were killed in a failed rescue attempt.

    But sure, sure, we don't negotiate with terrorists that kill or endanger civillians. That would be a fine principle, if we didn't exclude Israel, who objectively have killed more civillians than any Palestinian resistance group.

    For the sake of humanity, find empathy for brown people and educate yourself on what actually happened, instead of western/Israeli propaganda repeating the dehumanization of muslims.

    It takes a shit ton of lying to defend a genocide, so don't get discouraged when it takes time and effort to unlearn the propagande, but if we let this "slide" the world will not forget, and neither will those of us who saw through the shit.

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