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Alternatives to GrapheneOS (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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Wanted to get a new phone since my S20 is starting to show its age. And with all the enshitification of Android lately I thought it'd be good to try a different phone OS.

However, I don't really want to buy a Google Pixel so GrapheneOS is a no go. I was really interested in the Fold 7 but it seems that will not be possible to get without Android. Thought DivestOS was good but it looks like support ended in 2024.

What other phone OS are people using?

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[–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

/e/OS got caught sending voice-to-text data to OpenAI

To clarify it's an optional STT service, not on by default if one is not using Murena services, which before sending data proxy it so it's not associated with a specific user account, for anonymization. It even says so in the screenshot of the links post, for premium Murena service users. FUD from https://lemmy.ml/post/35472063?scrollToComments=true seems to already be working out, sadly.

Details https://doc.e.foundation/murena-voice-to-text including "This feature is exclusively available to Murena Workspace Premium users."

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The developers' response to the threads bringing this up with them were absolutely abysmal. They wouldn't even answer the question "does e send data to third parties when this feature is turned off" directly

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago*

    I'm not sure I understand the question. Why would it send data to anyone if the feature is not enabled? Are people implying a commercial partnership with a third party rather than using their API?

    Anyway the point is still that it's not OK to spread incorrect information, even if people don't like /e/OS or Murena.

    They didn't "get caught" when it's literally written down that they do it and it's optional, namely nobody does it except by explicitly asking for it. I know I don't. I don't even have that option like most people who use /e/OS and are not Premium Murena customers paying specifically for that service.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Do you work for them or something

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No, why do you suggest that? If one were to say something incorrect about Google or Meta, even though not only I do not work for them but even spend quite a bit of resource to get away from them, I would still say it aloud.

    Here I said, multiple times, that the post that sparked this is not correct... because it simply is not true. Nothing more, nothing less.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ok but why use it over lineage without installing gapps?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Everybody has different reason but what Murena does is sell phones with /e/OS pre-installed, so if one is specifically looking for a deGoogled phone because they don't have one that already supports LineageOS and/or do not know how to install LineageOS then it's very convenient. It's like going to an Apple store and leaving with a phone, not downloading a ROM then installing it on a device one already has. I'm again not saying one is better or worst than the other, solely that if one is looking for a deGoogled device and they don't have one already, it's an easier path.

    PS: note also that I didn't compare /e/OS itself to LineageOS, I'm highlighting precisely how there is some value for some people.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Looks like they're hosting nextcloud as 'ecloud' which is just nextcloud and office add-ons hosted by the e/os people. So instead of letting google host your data, you're trusting it to this murena company who probably has much less security. they are exposing nextcloud to the net which is a terrible idea as there are many many CVEs https://feedly.com/cve/vendors/nextcloud I like nextcloud and it is good but I would never expose it to the internet like this.

    I'd rather google have my info than some random skiddie that compromises murenas services.

    There's just so many reasons not to use this android. Just 'degoogling' without any more thought behind it is one of the saddest things in the 'privacy' community. Yes, google is bad. But they're probably not going to be compromised by some low effort skid.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Feel like I keep on repeating myself here but... here is no "they" or "/e/OS people" if you do not explicitly ask for it! Nobody has to use Murena servers for 'ecloud' or whatever services, secure or not, they are proposing.

    They might use the shittiest backend and it can be absolutely unsecure... but as long as you are not using it, who cares?

    There is no point in comparing the services they provide to either Google or self-hosted, just do not use them. It's really not that hard. It's in fact literally easier than making an account and use them.

    So... yes you can come up with problems and limitations if you want to, but the point is, again :

    • one can buy a phone from Murena running /e/OS and, in fact by default, NOT use any of their services.

    The whole point is that by using /e/OS one is not using Google and has a functional phone from the start. That's it.

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