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“ChatGPT killed my son”: Parents’ lawsuit describes suicide notes in chat logs (arstechnica.com)
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[–] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'll be blunt. I think the parents are blaming the AI platform unfairly. There's not an excuse for lack of parental oversight and monitoring of the teen's mood.

On the other hand; I don't think it's exactly desirable for the AI to help you jail break it. That should probably be fixed.

AI is not capable of doing wrong or evil. It is a tool; as a hammer or a notepad is.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    AI is not capable of doing wrong or evil. It is a tool; as a hammer or a notepad is.

    A tool does exactly what you do with it. A hammer can pound nails or break skulls but it's always the person behind the tool who causes the action. Generative AI is not like that at all. If it's a tool, you aren't necessarily able to control what it does under your direction.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If it’s a tool, you aren’t necessarily able to control what it does under your direction.

    This is false. A tool, by definition, is controlled by the user of said tool. AI is controlled by user input. Any AI that cannot be controlled by said input is said to be "misaligned" and is considered a broken tool. OpenAI lays out clearly what it's AI is trained to do and not do. It is not responsible if you use the tool they created in a way that is not recommended.

    Any AI prompt fits the definition of a tool:

    From Merriam-Webster:

    2b: an element of a computer program (such as a graphics application) that activates and controls a particular function

    In my opinion; the AI should not be equipped to bypass it's guardrails even when prompted to do so. A hammer did not tell you to use it as a drill; it's user decided to do that.

    The user alone has the creativity to use the tool to achieve their goal.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Except some agents go against explicit instructions and delete the prod database. You know your argument doesn't hold, we've all seen the news.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Except I already covered that by pointing out that those are considered 'broken tools'; you are also wrong about the argument.

    Finding out an AI is misaligned is reason to consider the tool "broken". People still choose to use the "broken" tool because they think it's good enough; that also means they accept that risk.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    AI reads your input and guesses what to output. It’s just really good at that. It has no concept on the actual meaning of those words and how they will be interpreted.

    The family is blaming AI. But the family failed to realize anything wrong with their son and the son didn’t feel safe enough to discuss anything with his parents. Lots of blame could be thrown around instead of addressing the larger issue. Which is that the mental health system is beyond broken and somehow talking about mental health is still taboo.

    As for jail breaking AI…I don’t think a private corporation should have any input in what I say, believe or think. The hammer manufacturers can’t stop me from using it as a drill. This whole argument goes back to the old who do you blame question…the gun manufactures, the gun stores or the murderers with the guns.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    AI reads your input and guesses what to output. It’s just really good at that. It has no concept on the actual meaning of those words and how they will be interpreted.

    Yep. AI is a tool. The user is still responsible for the right-ness or wrong-ness of how they choose to use it.

    Lots of blame could be thrown around instead of addressing the larger issue.

    You're moving the goalposts here to absolve the parents' lack of care. That isn't right.

    As for jail breaking AI…I don’t think a private corporation should have any input in what I say, believe or think. The hammer manufacturers can’t stop me from using it as a drill. This whole argument goes back to the old who do you blame question…the gun manufactures, the gun stores or the murderers with the guns.

    Oh look, more goalpost movement and even reframing my argument, which was simple: The AI should not assist the user in jailbreaking itself.

    Seriously; do not reply again. Your arguments did not work.

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