A supposedly sustainable company chasing the ai hype is so stupid

Glad to see something happening with the One Key Module, but I feel it's probably just too little too late for this company

We’re excited to announce our One Key Module Developer Program! Got a cool idea for a custom input layout using One Key Module (or anything else creative)? We want to see it!

We’ll be sharing the footprint, schema, and CAD files soon to help you get started. For now, if you have any questions feel free to drop them in the comments down below.

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Looking forward to seeing your proposals!

This is the cyberpunk future I want

Yeah, I've a 13 and it's the best built laptop I've ever had.

I'm not sure the Franken-laptop moniker is particularly appreciated.

And didn't they sort out their issues? At least posted above said so.

Can't repair another laptop though. I don't purchase anything on the ethics of a company or I wouldn't purchase anything.

Hyperland has supposedly sorted out their issues a while ago, providing that's true I don't see any significant issues with continuing to support them.

What I take fault with is the handling of DHH (or whatever the acronym is), and, frankly I don't want anything short of publicly condemning what they stand for.

However, we also need to be pragmatic here, companies are not our friends and frankly you'd struggle to convince me that frame.work is meaningfully worse than the rest. So, eh.

For me the "ethical" hardware is an alignment with the ease of repair and their DIY swap out modules.

You can't be a company in a captilsit system and have ethics that align with mine, so if I adopted what you are suggesting, I'd never be able to buy anything... at all, ever.

Hyperland is still getting a very sizeable part of the donation they make.

On reflection, RISC-V should have been included. Framework gave two computers to them.

There are two universities, one youth education non-profit, and the rest are conferences. Its very different to give money to a software project to support development costs, and a conference. Paying for an event is different, especially when they are paying for a booth, which makes it more of a marketing expense.

There are only 4 software projects with ongoing support. That's the concern. I think few would have an issue with framework's sponsorships if their support of hyperland was a one time donation. The document shows continued ongoing support of €600 per month.

"ongoing", while accurate, is misleading if you're wondering about big tent numbers.

They've sponsored about 20ish projects.

The Ethical side is definetly a huge part of my Interest in Framework as a Company, but I must admit the biggest reason I wanna get a FW12 is the Upgradability and Repairability. To be able to keep using the Same Laptop for the ages basically.

However is that worth supporting DHH by Proxy for that? I've been assuming with thier response being the Big Tent Strat that they have decided to keep supporting Hyperland right?

Wait they really only support 4 software projects? Thats way less then what I expected given thier Talk about the Big Tent strat, unless they mean it in a future headed sorta way... that is rather concerning to say the least...

But as you said, even with that considered they really are still the least bad Company around for this kinda stuff. I mean they have been around for around 6 or so years now yes? Yet this was thier first controversy I think... I suppose it kinda comes down to if they are willing to do stuff like this again/keep continuing...

Let me preface with this : I own a framework 13 and I recommended framework until the controversy.

Framework is pricier than any other alternative and have a weaker supply chain of spare parts, the only upside of framework should be an ethical one. You buy framework because their values not because it's the best option. Framework talking about "big tent" while sponsoring outright facist ( There is no other word for DHH ) is not acceptable and is a spit to the face to all people who choose to believe in them to push for ethical hardware.

I would recommended only buying framework on technical merits or going for another manufacturer like tuxedo, starlabs or slimbook or the mainstream one ( Lenovo, dell ).

They published a list of all of the projects they sponsor, including the forms of support and amounts.

They sponsor and have booths at many events. They have 4 software projects that are listed as getting ongoing support. They are listed with different time periods and currencies but I converted the numbers to $/year for ease of comparison.

Per year sponsorship:

$5,000 Linux Foundation $8,325 Hyperland $10,000 LVFS $12,000 GNOME

I think there's reason to be concerned about these donations. They sponsor far too few projects for the inclusion of hyperland to not read as an explicit endorsement. Hard to follow the "big tent" excuse when their tent covers 4 members.

I don't follow their other communication channels, so I can't speak to them. But this nonpology brief foray into transparency is not enough to move the needle for me.

Despite all this, I still consider the framework to be one of the least bad laptop companies.

Ooh, how do I go about flashing that? Are there official instructions somewhere I am just not finding?

EDIT: Found it! https://knowledgebase.frame.work/keyboard-firmware-update-framework-laptop-16-r1LayV4Age

There actually is a new version of the firmware for the keyboard and the numpad, it is in beta but I think it's worth a shot

nazis are unacceptable to every reasonable person, right?

Obviously.

But I also don't like to rush to judgement based on partial/incomplete information or accusations that only look at one side of the story.

Which is why I asked for a link to further information and context.

I'd be as happy as anyone if the world stopped using Ruby, so that sponsorship actually pisses me off twice.

The list has $24k for Rails World sponsorship, that's the DHH Rails conference.

Yeah I would have expected some kind of response from them at this point. Very concerning.

Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

That's a pretty heated (and polarized) discussion that seems to have blown up quite recently and is still ongoing.

My take (based on a limited reading) is that framework didn't fully vet every single dev in every single open source project (including some big and widely deployed projects) they offered support to.

It will be interesting to see how this ends.

Interesting. I know nothing of these projects, so I'm going off what I managed to read on the original post before it bloomed to over a thousand comments.

I think the Hyperland complaint boiled down to "their discord is toxic".

Omarchy is apparently headed by a nut job.

I don't know how accurate those statements are, but if they are, I think that's a move in the right direction.