[–] 1 point 4 weeks ago

Agree with the others that Tolstoy is the obvious recommendation. Both Anna Karenina and War and Peace are excellent, I'd probably start with Anna Karenina.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Nice, surprised by the strength of the chest with a sticking point that high in the movement. I feel like if I get stuck its usually much lower.

    Curious about the safety straps, wouldn’t you want the high side to be near your head/chest so the bar rolls away from you? As it stands it looks like it would roll into your body.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago

    I do like the uncertainty aspect. Is the land real or not, is Covenant justified in his unbelief and what does that mean for his actions? All interesting questions. I just wish the narrative vehicle was less clunky.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I agree that some of the elements I've criticized are intentional; I'm not entirely convinced that excuses them. The books are not really only from Covenant's perspective, there are other POV characters. The "side quest" I mention is especially illustrative since its a quest Covenant explicitly refuses to get involved with and is then told by another character in retrospect (with characteristically little detail). Many of the major battles Covenant isn't even present for and we get another POV character or the omniscient narrator.

    So while I agree that the central plot device and the associated moral questions are definitely intentional (and effective), I don't think the narrative style or lack of atmosphere can be excused in the same way. I've no doubt the books were ahead of their time and influential (and I'm glad I tried them for those reasons) but I don't think they hold up very well. If you do re-read, I'm curious what you think.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    From what I read they were quite popular at release but seem to have really fallen out of the zeitgeist. Probably in some part due to these issues, there's just better books available to new readers.

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    I’ve finished the first three books in The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant and decided to stop. My interest in the series was piqued when I read some reviews which criticized them for an unlikable main character or a distasteful central plot device and wanted to read them for myself to see why they are so polarizing. Ultimately, though, I disagree that either of those is the major problem with the series. The issue is much more fundamental; the books open by posing interesting philosophical questions (“Can you harm something that doesn’t exist?”, “Does uncertainty/disbelief negate culpability?”) but fail as a narrative experience beyond that.

    Other than Thomas Covenant himself (who is vastly more developed than any other character) the characters are shallow and not particularly believable. They’re introduced and the reader is lead to believe they’re central characters before they’re unceremoniously killed off with no build up (and little description).

    This tendency extends beyond individual characters. Epic battles and events are matter-of-factly relayed with scant description over the course of a few paragraphs with no chance for the reader to get emotionally invested (contrast the battles in The Chronicles with The Battle of Helm’s Deep or the Chain of Dogs). In other books I’ve felt like I was in the battle but Donaldson was never able to bring me off the sidelines. An entire side quest is introduced and then treated as an after thought (see Gilden-Fire).

    The setting (imaginatively called “The Land”) itself suffers from these problems. The Land is supposedly an ancient world with a complex history of many different peoples and regions but feels woefully unexplored and unexplained. Peoples in the book (Giants, Ramen, Haruchai) are boiled down to one dimensional stereotypes (“the loyal companion”, “the unbeatable warrior” etc) with little effort made to develop their individual cultures.

    My impression is that Donaldson approaches his work first as a means to explore a philosophy and second as a story. This strikes me as contrasting strongly with other epic fantasy authors like Tolkien, Martin or Stevenson who succeed in embedding morality and ethics in compelling stories that are rewarding to read. Thoughts? Any of you find The Chronicles more worthwhile than I have? Perhaps some of the world building and narrative improves over the following seven novels but why would I continue when the first three were so poor?

    [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Lord Foul's Bane - Stephen Donaldson

    Heard of the Covenant series for a long time, never got around to it before now. Seems OK, doubt I'll read all 10 but we'll see.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    This is a really cool book. I don’t think it’s particularly unique in terms of its structure but the concepts it discusses and the parallels it draws across fields are worth thinking about.

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    I was recommended this book on another website and reviews seemed overwhelmingly positive so I picked it up. I was looking for some other latam lit after reading 100 Years Of Solitude (great) Love in the Time of Cholera (good) and 2666 (great) and had high hopes.

    I'm now done with 3/4 and boy is it a stinker, I really push myself to finish books no matter what but this is an absolute slog. Every story feels like Dr. Evil's description of his childhood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTJj4wbmAhk). Protagonist goes to some far away location and gets involved in some niche scheme (which seem interchangeable with one another) where he meets a beautiful woman who has lots of sex with him. Then she dies and he escapes. Rinse and repeat. The author seems to name drop for the sake of it. Anyone else read and enjoy this one?

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